tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36968299.post640052858912271104..comments2023-10-29T08:42:34.258-05:00Comments on Musings of a Muslim Mind (MOVED): Enough of Sami Yusuf... Yvonne Ridley's Common Islamic SenseAmadhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14042408923902124384noreply@blogger.comBlogger88125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36968299.post-20121881901159425712008-07-22T11:14:00.000-05:002008-07-22T11:14:00.000-05:00> Jazak Allah Khairun! Your work is much apprec...> Jazak Allah Khairun! Your work is much appreciated<BR/>> and very valuable.<BR/>> I have a question, which is more about principles than rulings.<BR/>><BR/>> It is well know that Imam Malik disapproved of musical instruments<BR/>> (other than a particular drum listed in the GH.)<BR/><BR/>First of all, we should realize that we live in a time in which music<BR/>via instruments has become omnipresent. If you live in America<BR/>for instance, you will be faced with music in almost every part of<BR/>your public life (e.g., when you go to buy your necessities, at<BR/>school/college, while in a waiting-room/lounge, while riding a<BR/>bus, train, or a plane, etc.).<BR/><BR/>You will note that the strict ruling for music given in Guiding Helper<BR/>(and it is definitely one of the strictest given by the scholars of the<BR/>past) is listed in the Book for the Path to Allah. The reason why<BR/>we narrated this strict opinion even though we full-well knew that<BR/>it would be difficult for most Westerners to follow is that it is directed<BR/>to those travelling the Path. This is because those travelling the Path<BR/>to Allah must realize a few basic things in order to make progress:<BR/><BR/> a) They are not even close to being perfect. When they are<BR/> faced with a ruling such as this which they can't seem to<BR/> apply to their lives even after strenuous attempts, they will<BR/> realize their imperfection sooner and be less likely to consider<BR/> themselves "pure" and "good".<BR/> b) Good deeds are good because Allah has commanded<BR/> them and are bad deeds are bad because Allah has forbidden<BR/> against them. For example, most people alive today would<BR/> not consider listening/playing musical instruments to be<BR/> something for which one earns bad deeds even though<BR/> most traditional Islamic scholars have at least spoken about<BR/> most of them in a negative light.<BR/> In other words, the person travelling the Path must realize that<BR/> intrinsically speaking all acts are equal - and it is only Allah's<BR/> arbitrary assigning of rewards and punishments to certain acts<BR/> that gives them spiritual weight.<BR/> The real reason why something is makruh or haram is not<BR/> that it is intrinsically in and by itself wrong or leads to harmful<BR/> consequences. Rather, Allah has tied negative effects to acts<BR/> labeled as haram as a further deterrent and as a mercy from Him.<BR/> For example, He has tied painful headaches (a.k.a. hangovers)<BR/> to getting drunk and has tied STDs (sexually transmitted<BR/> diseases) to promiscuity.<BR/> c) In order for the person travelling the Path to proceed fast, he<BR/> must make continuous tawbah (repentance). Applying this strict<BR/> ruling to his life will give him ample opportunity to repeatedly<BR/> repent and return to Allah.<BR/><BR/>References:<BR/> [DT: volume 1: page 48: line(s) 17-20: {explanation of<BR/> verse 30, near end}<BR/><BR/>With all that said and done, we would say that there are dispensations<BR/>available for the common man not travelling the Path within the Maliki<BR/>School of Jurisprudence.<BR/><BR/>The dispensations available within the Maliki school follow (each letter<BR/>is a separate dispensation and the latter ones are easier than the former<BR/>ones):<BR/><BR/> a) The common may "overhear" music that he has no part in<BR/> composing or playing. However, he may not actively listen to,<BR/> compose, or play instrumental music that consists of wind,<BR/> percussion, string, or horned instruments. [For example in<BR/> this dispensation, he may not play a musical CD/tape nor<BR/> play a piano keyboard.]<BR/> b) The common man may actively listen to instrumental music<BR/> but may not himself play wind, percussion, string, or horned<BR/> instruments. [For example in this dispensation, he may play a<BR/> musical CD/tape but may not play a piano keyboard.]<BR/> c) The common man may actively listen to instrumental music.<BR/> He may also play musical instruments, but only if he does this<BR/> once in a while and does not take playing musical instruments<BR/> up as an occupation or a habitual exercise. If he takes<BR/> playing musical instruments up as an occupation or a daily<BR/> exercise, there is agreement in the Maliki school that his playing<BR/> the instrument is unlawful.<BR/><BR/>The popular opinion in the Maliki school of course is what we<BR/>have listed in the Guiding Helper Explanatory Notes. However,<BR/>those that find difficulty with that opinion may follow opinion<BR/>(b) above [that is our recommendation]. Our recommendation<BR/>for them is that they however try their best to minimize the<BR/>amount of time listening to such music and search for more<BR/>productive or internally meditative exercises to engage in.<BR/><BR/>References:<BR/><BR/>Here is a translated quote from the explanation of the Murshid by<BR/>Muhammad ibn Ahmad Mayyarah that contains these three<BR/>dispensations and also the popular opinion:<BR/><BR/> "Listening to musical instruments is a general prohibition for both<BR/> men and women. Now if each gender is prohibited from listening to<BR/> musical instruments when not with the opposite sex, then it is even<BR/> more [prohibited] when the genders are gathered together...."<BR/><BR/> "Now if [the player] has taken up musical instruments as a profession<BR/> or is constantly returning to them, there is no difference in the<BR/> Maliki school that it is unlawful.... and there is disagreement about<BR/> the person who plays musical instruments not as a profession and only<BR/> once in a while. Some Maliki scholars say that it is still unlawful while<BR/> others say it is mubah...."<BR/><BR/> "Imam Malik's view is that listening to any and all musical instruments is<BR/> unlawful except the one-sided tambourine (daff) in a wedding and the<BR/> long drum (kibar); however, there is disagreement about the long drum<BR/> [and other drums]. And likewise is treated playing them, selling them, and<BR/> buying them..."<BR/><BR/> "However, some Maliki scholars have said that it is permissible to listen<BR/> to musical instruments."<BR/><BR/>[DT: volume 1: page 451: line(s) 19: {explanation of verse(s) 295-300,<BR/> after first quoted stanza of poetry}}<BR/><BR/><BR/>> There is also a text<BR/>> I've seen where someone asked Imam Malik what to do if they heard<BR/>> the Flute while they were out. He recommends they leave if they can,<BR/>> if not just to finish their business.<BR/>><BR/>> I also once read that Imam Malik had learned music as a child, but<BR/>> then his mother pushed him to study deen.<BR/><BR/>No comment. You yourself seem to understand or have knowledge of<BR/>these texts.<BR/><BR/>> Now, my question is not so much about music, as I have heard<BR/>> many sides, and understand the dominant opinion (ie no strings and<BR/>> winds etc.) However my question is this: If Islam was established in<BR/>> Medina, (and elsewhere) and instruments were actually Haram (as<BR/>> opposed to disapproved of as distractions from more important duties<BR/>> as Ibn Khaldun I think felt) why would they be openly used?<BR/><BR/>The fact of the matter is that the prohibition on music was not as clearly<BR/>laid down by the Prophet (May Allah bless him and give him peace) or the<BR/>early scholars in Madinah as, for instance, the prohibition on wine and<BR/>gambling. This is why the issue of Music will never be properly resolved<BR/>on the whole by the scholars of our din unlike the issue for eating pork<BR/>for instance.<BR/><BR/>Ibn `Ajibah writes in his explanation of al-Mabahith al-Asliyah:<BR/><BR/> "This issue [of musical instruments] is one of [much] disagreement<BR/> as no clear primary text has come from the Legislator - and all<BR/> affairs are mubah by default until a [clear] prohibition is found. And<BR/> [the fact of the matter is that] listening to musical instruments was<BR/> not declared unlawful until the idle [wrong-doing] folk took it up<BR/> and linked it with drinking wine and fornicating...<BR/><BR/> [It has been narrated that] a scholar (who condoned [certain] musical<BR/> instruments) in the presence of Caliph Harun Rashid said, 'I<BR/> attended a wedding feast in Madinah in which the scholars attended.<BR/> [There were so many singers at this wedding] that if the house were<BR/> to collapse, no singer would remain in Madinah. And the smallest<BR/> of the [condoning] scholars present was Imam Malik ibn Anas. So,<BR/> they sang [and a man] had a mizhar [i.e. a musical instrument (probably<BR/> a tambourine)]; so, they sang [with it] and uttered nasheeds."<BR/><BR/> [IH: volume 1: page 287: line(s) 28-29: {explanation of verse 202<BR/> of the Mabahith}]<BR/><BR/>Now in the above excerpt, other Maliki scholars could have interpreted<BR/>mizhar as applying to other than a tambourine.<BR/><BR/>> i.e. If the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) covered his ears when<BR/>> he heard the Shepard's flute (I think this is in Ghazali's 'letter to a boy')<BR/>> and Malik's students were to get up when they heard the flute, it implies two<BR/>> things (to this ignorant man writing to you):<BR/>> 1) continued usage of the flute during and after the Prophet's (peace and<BR/>> blessings of Allah be upon him) time in lands where Islam was established.<BR/>> 2) disapproval for some to hear it and not others.<BR/><BR/>Yes. What you say above has been said by authentic scholars.<BR/><BR/>> If #2 is the case, it seems that Haram would not be a suitable term,<BR/>> since Haram is not just for some to follow and not others (unless we<BR/>> presume the shepard and the other flute player were non-muslim, which<BR/>> would still I assume necessitate that they play privately, and we would<BR/>> need proof that this was the case.)<BR/><BR/>The logic is o.k.; but, the *popular* opinion in the Maliki school still labels<BR/>it explicitly as "haram" even after the advanced vocabulary of the Jurists had<BR/>developed. [Refer to the first quote above].<BR/><BR/>Now if you are confused about what this word mash-hur/popular<BR/>actually means, a brief explanation is listed in the addendum to this<BR/>letter.<BR/><BR/>> So, are we in fact discussing something forbiden by a command,<BR/>> or are we discussing a thing strongly recommended against because<BR/>> of an implied action and statement from the Prophet (peace and<BR/>> blessings of Allah be upon him,) who's actual ruling on the matter<BR/>> was ambiguous (as in Abu Baker's thinking that 'Aisha and the girls<BR/>> playing Daff were sinning, when in fact the Prophet (peace and<BR/>> blessings of Allah be upon him) was present)?<BR/><BR/>Before the advanced vocabulary of the jurists developed, this was<BR/>a big issue. In the early centuries of Islam (e.g., first two centuries),<BR/>people would say that something is mamnu` (prohibited) without<BR/>qualifying whether this was just a recommendation to leave it or<BR/>a strict prohibition. Even al-Mudawwanah al-Kubrah has this problem<BR/>of ambiguity in certain places; it was the task of the later scholars<BR/>(mostly Ibn Rushd (not the philosopher)) to straighten things out<BR/>so that such ambiguities would cease to be an issue. And they stated<BR/>in the case of musical instruments that the popular opinion was that<BR/>they are unlawful to play or listen to (you can refer to the excerpt<BR/>above or other trusted Maliki sources.<BR/><BR/>> Are there any rukhsas or minority opions from the Maliki jurists?<BR/><BR/>Three dispensations are listed above. For the common man that finds<BR/>difficulty with the opinion in the Guiding Helper, we would recommend<BR/>dispensation (b).<BR/><BR/>> Thank you very much for your time, and May Allah reward you<BR/>> for your efforts. I love the book!!<BR/>--------------------------------------------------------------------------------<BR/>> The Notes of Sources discusses the disagreement amongst the 'Ulama with<BR/>> regards to music (cf. notes to GH 42:1755). Bearing in mind the hadith quoted<BR/>> in the Primary Proof section, in support of Imam Malik's position, how have<BR/>> the Maliki 'Ulama who have permitted musical instruments explained hadith like<BR/>> that mentioned and other hadith, such as:<BR/>><BR/>> "This Community will experience the swallowing up of some people by the earth,<BR/>> metamorphosis of some into animals, and being rained upon with stones."<BR/>> Someone asked, "When will this be, O Messenger of Allah?" and he said, "When<BR/>> songstresses and musical instruments appear and wine is held to be lawful."<BR/>><BR/>> "There will be peoples of my Community who will hold fornication, silk, wine,<BR/>> and musical intruments to be lawful..." (both hadiths taken from the Shafi'i,<BR/>> Ibn Hajar Haytami, as translated in Reliance of the Traveller, pg. 775)<BR/><BR/>The explanation given is that almost all of these hadith mention multiple<BR/>unlawful acts performed together with music and not only music. For example,<BR/>the hadith you quote mentions fornication, silk, and wine while others also<BR/>mention idol worship, etc.<BR/><BR/>You can refer to al-Qardawi's al-Halal wa l-Haram fi l-Islam about this<BR/>topic since he has narrated many minority Maliki opinions throughout his<BR/>book and he has listed the rationale for such minority Maliki opinions.<BR/><BR/>> Q2. Does the Maliki School permit women to sing for strange men if the lyrics<BR/>> are not lewd and the manner not similar to bedroom voices; such as 'religious'<BR/>> songs (qasaa'id) or just other inspirational songs with lyrics, for example,<BR/>> about honour and courage, etc? (this is a query regarding explanatory note<BR/>> 2628)<BR/><BR/>The popular opinion in the Maliki school does not allow men to listen to<BR/>unrelated adult women's "singing" voices (e.g., popular song or qasa'id).<BR/>However, the popular opinion allows men to listen to conversational tone<BR/>voices of unrelated women. We have narrated the popular opinion in the<BR/>Maliki school in footnote 2628 of the Explanatory Notes.<BR/><BR/>There are minority opinions which would allow singing women's voices<BR/>as long as the voices are not purposely "seductive" (e.g., in a qasa'id)<BR/>and are closer to the conversational tone.<BR/><BR/>As for "seductive" and "sensual" singing carried out by adult females,<BR/>there is no disagreement among our scholars (inside and outside the<BR/>Maliki school) that such is unlawful to listen to by unrelated men who<BR/>are not the spouses of such singing women - as it is recorded in many<BR/>authentic hadith that the Prophet (May Allah bless him and give him peace)<BR/>prohibited female singing girls.<BR/><BR/>[As a side note, one of the reasons why a minority opinion is called<BR/> a "minority" opinion is that the evidences for it are generally<BR/> weaker than that of a popular opinion.]<BR/><BR/>Reference(s):<BR/> [QF: volume 1: page(s) 370: line(s) 8: {book 21, chapter 6, 12th<BR/> prohibited act of the tongue, 4 types of unlawful singing}]<BR/> [KH: volume 1: page(s) : line(s) M17-27: {formal prayer, loudness<BR/> in recitation for women, `adawi's explanation of whether or not<BR/> women's voices are part of their "nakedness", explanation of<BR/> Sidi Khalil's words "And loudness the minimum of which is that<BR/> he makes oneself hear and the one next to one hear..."}]Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36968299.post-33940240726529609902007-12-31T07:58:00.000-05:002007-12-31T07:58:00.000-05:00BismillahirRahmanirRahimWith regards to the LOCAL ...BismillahirRahmanirRahim<BR/><BR/>With regards to the LOCAL Al Maghrib in my area...I see no difference between them and Wahabis. They think it is ok to follow their 'teachers' but not ok to follow the Holy Imams of Ahle Sunnah. Talk about Hypocrisy! <BR/>InshaAllah their hypocrisy will be revealed as Allah Almighty has promise that his 'LIGHT' will not be extinguished.<BR/>Allahu AkbarAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36968299.post-25218001544288855532007-12-31T07:47:00.000-05:002007-12-31T07:47:00.000-05:00BismillahirRahmanirRahimSalaam Alaikum,I think Yvo...BismillahirRahmanirRahim<BR/><BR/>Salaam Alaikum,<BR/><BR/>I think Yvonne is no more than a new convert...converted into extremism or there is a possibility that she can be a spy to create division among Muslims. remember that Mr. Hempher was the Brit spy who brought in the 'Wahabi' cult. This does NOT mean that all converts are spies, but some are not too hard to notice....especially the ones with 'extreme' ideologies.<BR/><BR/>If she had any sense in her blank head she would recal the story of Yusuf (AS) and how women cut their fingers when they saw his beauty...MashaAllah. Is the blame on Yusuf (AS)? No! That was an example. If she is afraid that her nafs cannot handle certain things then she had no right to attend such an event and then leave and slander the performers and the audience.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36968299.post-68893421813102868272007-01-11T23:18:00.000-05:002007-01-11T23:18:00.000-05:00What I see here, is Muslims trying to outdo each o...What I see here, is Muslims trying to outdo each other by argumentation. Despite disclaimers to the contrary on all sides, it's degenerated to personal attacks and attempts at character assassination.<br /><br />Just some reminders:<br /><br />-Rasulullah warned about excessive arguing, as displeasing to Allah<br /> <br />-Imam Malik never used to argue<br /><br />-Argumentation is not part of the deen<br /><br />-Imam Raghab Isfahani said "argumentation (about deen) is makruh for the ulema, and haram for the common people"Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36968299.post-82855983421481154752007-01-11T18:17:00.000-05:002007-01-11T18:17:00.000-05:00This comment has been removed by the author.Amadhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14042408923902124384noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36968299.post-40171699272874645722007-01-11T10:31:00.000-05:002007-01-11T10:31:00.000-05:00This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.Yursilhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09749331623049934348noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36968299.post-69218505639799804212007-01-11T09:40:00.000-05:002007-01-11T09:40:00.000-05:00This comment has been removed by the author.Amadhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14042408923902124384noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36968299.post-59336423194432978702007-01-11T09:39:00.000-05:002007-01-11T09:39:00.000-05:00This comment has been removed by the author.Amadhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14042408923902124384noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36968299.post-79502797644915053492007-01-11T07:31:00.000-05:002007-01-11T07:31:00.000-05:00Specifically on Shaykh Hamza and Shaykh Kabbani, w...Specifically on Shaykh Hamza and Shaykh Kabbani, while I do not agree with their politics, I agree with them in-so-far as they agree on the Sunni position on Islamic fiqh, aqidah and tasawwuf issuesYursilhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09749331623049934348noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36968299.post-29141384948148002692007-01-11T07:11:00.000-05:002007-01-11T07:11:00.000-05:00BTW I'm glad i'm worthy of all this research.
Is ...BTW I'm glad i'm worthy of all this research.<br /><br />Is this a personality destruction contest now?<br /><br />I've sat with lots of people, including crazed Salafi's, people who want to bomb buildings, and people like Schwartz. <br /><br />Don't agree with any of them.<br /><br />As far as Shaykh Hamza and Shaykh Kabbani, yes I do believe they are from the same ilk, both are sunni's. <br /><br />In fact, I have a picture of them together discussing.<br /><br />I don't agree with either of them, regardless.Yursilhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09749331623049934348noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36968299.post-2536508746538133832007-01-10T22:11:00.000-05:002007-01-10T22:11:00.000-05:00amad, i dont know if u know, but i use to be salaf...amad, i dont know if u know, but i use to be salafi, and i also use to be very active in AlMaghrib.<br /><br />:-D<br /><br />i been around..hahahamujahideen ryderhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13698933896750096948noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36968299.post-73247103106965447492007-01-10T22:09:00.000-05:002007-01-10T22:09:00.000-05:00This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36968299.post-51516155990682207862007-01-10T22:05:00.000-05:002007-01-10T22:05:00.000-05:00Mashallah Amad, I totally agree, I couldn't have s...Mashallah Amad, I totally agree, I couldn't have said it better myself.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36968299.post-22014424013635518452007-01-10T21:57:00.000-05:002007-01-10T21:57:00.000-05:00This comment has been removed by the author.Amadhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14042408923902124384noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36968299.post-36463454301614571632007-01-10T21:30:00.000-05:002007-01-10T21:30:00.000-05:00This comment has been removed by the author.Amadhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14042408923902124384noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36968299.post-80272841004450342612007-01-09T16:10:00.000-05:002007-01-09T16:10:00.000-05:00as-salamu'alaikum Abad,
Thank you for the comment...as-salamu'alaikum Abad,<br /><br />Thank you for the comment.<br /><br />I think part of the problem is that certain groups think differently of traditional Sufi practices. <br /><br />I don't think that Bayat is necessary, and nor do I consider it an act of ibadaat. <br /><br />It is what it is... an oath of allegiance and promise to study the sciences of tassawuf/ character development under the tutelage of a shaykh. <br /><br />A commitment and a form of a contract. It was given in war time and traditionally we adapted it also for studying certain sciences. <br /><br />It is important in the sciences of Tariqa as the Shaykh will often hit students nafs pretty hard with the truth about themselves. <br /><br />Anyone can walk away from a Bayat, especially when faced with such harsh criticism from thei shaykh... but at least if they walk away they realize they backed out on something of a personal commitment they made.Yursilhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09749331623049934348noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36968299.post-86429052058569172402007-01-09T14:33:00.000-05:002007-01-09T14:33:00.000-05:00First of all I apologize for the mocking... I thin...First of all I apologize for the mocking... I think I got carried away by the incredulous 'Allah written in blood' thing. But I hope you do understand that many of the things I mentioned have been linked with Sufis. I am also glad that your Sheikh prays 5 times with the Sunnah.<br /><br />Secondly, the article that I references was from islamonline, not your "salafi" website. It quotes the great Imams, not any contemporary scholars. Do you know Sheikh Al-`Izz ibn `Abdus-Salam? He was one of the great scholars of the 7th century; by the way, one of Hamza Yusuf's CD set is based on his works. So, you should consider what was said in it carefully. <br /><br />I continue to find the analogy to AlMaghrib amusing. There is no bayah there, the Qabeelah are purely for competitive purposes; there is no absolutely no established loyalty to one or the other. No one makes you sign or swear a statement to be loyal to one Qabeelah. On the other hand, the bayah is an Islamic tradition, it is an act of Ibadah, and it requires your allegiance to a person, disobedience to whom will cause you to be sinful. It’s childish to even compare the two; I don't think that many of your more knowledgeable Sufi friends would even entertain the analogy either. Instead, they will probably insist on the Islamic necessity of a bayah-- a talking-point for you. Which we of course disagree with.Amadhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14042408923902124384noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36968299.post-53870297201624836222007-01-09T11:50:00.000-05:002007-01-09T11:50:00.000-05:00Oh I read it indeed, I have a sinking feeling you ...Oh I read it indeed, I have a sinking feeling you did not.<br /><br />I'm simply asking what makes Al-Maghrib practices and techniques (mostly copied from the West, with a bit of Qabeelah added) somehow legitimate and under the 'necessary' category while 'enrollment'/ Bayat in the Sufi tariqas not?<br /><br />If it is up to the Salafi's to decide what is 'necessary' alhamdulillah, well I don't think I need to say anything further. <br /><br />Yes, If Al-Maghrib bidaa is correct then Sufi Tariqa enrollment is correct as well.Yursilhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09749331623049934348noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36968299.post-83458691613105764262007-01-09T11:44:00.000-05:002007-01-09T11:44:00.000-05:00Yursil, I have a strange feeling you didn't read t...Yursil, I have a strange feeling you didn't read the article that was posted.<br />Also, for the sake of argument, let's say that Almaghrib is bidah (which it isn't), does that make all of your bidahs correct?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36968299.post-21290958090754455452007-01-09T11:14:00.000-05:002007-01-09T11:14:00.000-05:00Shaykh prays every obligatory prayer and every sun...Shaykh prays every obligatory prayer and every sunnat, every day and that is what he teaches us as well.<br /><br />As for the rest of your mockery, keep it coming.<br /><br />Classifying Bidaa because some Shaykh is telling you that their bidaa is a-ok, but somehow the bidaa of sufis is not a-ok eh?<br /><br />I believe 'enrollment' by signing papers and joining a 'seminar' or 'program' or 'Bachelor of Arts in Islamic Science' and naming false Qabeelahs and other tactics are just the exact same equivalent to an initiation into a tariqat. <br /><br />What makes one Bida Hasanat and the other not? Because salafi's say so? I think not.Yursilhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09749331623049934348noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36968299.post-58353519382506257232007-01-09T10:44:00.000-05:002007-01-09T10:44:00.000-05:00Yursil, you are trying to grab at straws now. Al-M...Yursil, you are trying to grab at straws now. Al-Maghrib's courses being 'bidah-hasanah', are you kidding me? Do you even know the difference between linguistic bidah and bidah in Ibadah. For your own good, <a href="http://www.islamawareness.net/Bidah/types.html">please see this article on bidah</a>, where Imam Al-`Izz ibn `Abdus-Salam includes classifying sciences as an obligatory innovation, and institutes of Islamic learning would fit nicely in this category: <br />-Obligatory innovation, such as combining and classifying Arabic sciences and teaching them. <br /><br />And thanks for the additional humorous stuff. Unintended blood spot on the foreheads mysteriously fashioned into Allah. Was that a karamah or was it done by the human hand? It would be more appealing if it happened by itself, please say it was so? Any more interesting tidbits from the trip to magical kingdom up in NY? Did the Sheikh walk on water for everyone or levitate lying down? Also, is this one of the Sufi Sheikhs who actually prays 5 times, or is it one of those whose prayers are done at Makkah by their souls? Thanks in advance for responding.Amadhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14042408923902124384noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36968299.post-26578526449509854102007-01-09T10:34:00.000-05:002007-01-09T10:34:00.000-05:00Most of the prophets (Peace be upon them all) were...Most of the prophets (Peace be upon them all) were shepherds and spent much of their time outdoors.Yursilhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09749331623049934348noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36968299.post-75532575641817150572007-01-09T10:28:00.000-05:002007-01-09T10:28:00.000-05:00Why is it that most sufis seem to be fixated with ...Why is it that most sufis seem to be fixated with going outdoors, and nature?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36968299.post-82529534983986415952007-01-09T10:21:00.000-05:002007-01-09T10:21:00.000-05:00Abdu,
Crying.. some people are extremely moved by...Abdu,<br /><br />Crying.. some people are extremely moved by death in Qurban.<br /><br />The blood on his forehead was unintentional yet fashioned in a way that it read "Allah".Yursilhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09749331623049934348noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36968299.post-37429061688988463032007-01-09T10:02:00.000-05:002007-01-09T10:02:00.000-05:00Amad, I think you really backed Yursil up into a c...Amad, I think you really backed Yursil up into a corner now. Yursil, what does the blood on the head and the crying symbolize from the pictures?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com